[Vnbiz] Stopping the business of "illegal internet phone cards"
Stefan Probst
stefan.probst at opticom.v-nam.net
Sat Nov 1 09:37:34 PST 2003
Dear Anh Hoanh, CACE,
this information is strange, since MPT is requiring from the IXPs and ISPs,
as well as the police, to stop perfectly legal use of the Internet. They
have no legal grounds to do this. If there would be the long requested
Association of Internet users, they would have a perfect case for bringing
MPT to court for ... whatever you lawyers call this, when an office issues
a legal instruction that is counter existing laws.
The situation:
For the user: The currently valid Internet regulations allow the use of the
Net, except prohibited services. To USE the Internet for voice
communications (incl. PC to Tel.) is an allowed service.
For businesses: They need a special permission to provide Internet
Services. They need a special permission to provide Telecom Services. They
have to follow a given pricing scheme. The current minimum required charges
for international PC-To-Phone calls are about twice as much as
internationally usual.
There are a number of international companies that provide international PC
to Phone connections via the Internet. However, you need a credit card to
pay for them. Pretty much no Vietnamese has a credit card, therefore they
could not sign up directly with the foreign service provider.
This brought up Vietnamese "entrepreneurs": If somebody had a credit card,
he could setup many accounts with that overseas VoIP service providers,
write the account details (user name and password) on a paper and sell it
to Vietnamese users for a higher price than he had to pay to the service
provider. Some (e.g. VietKieu) went even further and made direct deals with
a provider, selling large quantities, getting thus a better price, and did
not write the details on a paper, but printed scratch cards with the
account details.
The P&T was loosing on international calls. MPT stepped in: The ISPs were
allowed to do what previously individuals and small companies were doing
illegally. It was illegal, since those companies had no license to
provide/resell telecom services (what they were doing in fact). But the
ISPs are required to charge about double the cost of what it costs abroad,
in order to make the price difference between those cheap international
calls and the "VoIP Calls" of the telecom providers not that big, i.e.
protect the telecom providers (and VNPT is the biggest one).
Note: All the ISPs that I checked last time do not provide their own
services, but are mere resellers of foreign service providers, mostly in
SIN. VNN is using/working together with OneConnection, FPT resells MediaRing.
Since the Vietnamese ISPs are required to charge fairly high, they make
good profit: About half of the money that a Vietnamese user pays for the
PhonCards (which contain the user name and password) of an ISP stays with
the ISP (for doing pretty much nothing), the other half goes to the foreign
provider.
The consequences are, that there is still a market for those illegal
resellers of foreign Internet-To-Phone services, since they can sell much
cheaper.
Now, since it is difficult to catch them, the MPT obviously tries another
way: Stop them technically via the ISPs and IXPs.
For the user, to use the Net for PC-To-Phone connections is perfectly
legal, otherwise nobody could use those services of Vietnamese ISPs. There
is a law that requires users to use Vietnamese ISPs to connect to the Net,
but there is no law that requires users to use only Vietnamese IAPs
(Internet Application Providers)/OSPs (Online Service Providers) for
services like PC-To-Phone gateways. To the contrary, Article 22.2 of
Government Decree 55/2001/ND-CP expressively allows users to use overseas
OSP's applications (except prohibited services).
Now, how should ISPs and IXPs determine whether a Vietnamese user bought
the access services to the overseas IAP/OSP (i.e. the access information)
from an illegal Vietnamese reseller/"entrepreneur" and then prevent
technically using that illegally bought service? The Vietnamese user might
have easily bought the services legally (with own credit card), or got the
information from a friend/relative abroad.
You see: for the IXPs and ISPs it is legally pretty much impossible to stop
"illegal" use while allowing legal use by using blocking technology. It
would be the same like disallowing the use of motorbikes, just because some
thiefs steal and then sell motorbikes. On the other hand, since this is
competition to the ISPs, they surely have a commercial interest in it and
will not ask for the legality. On the other side, because they themselves
are using foreign IAP/OSPs, they even cannot block all. So, I expect that
they might block foreign PC-To-Phone service providers, except those ones
that they are using. Kind of: Since there are thieves, we prohibit from now
on the use of Honda, Yamaha, and VMEP, but we allow Suzuki and Piaggio,
because the police uses the latter ones also.
And in a second step, they will do a bit of IP and port translation tricks
and then block also their own foreign IAP/OSPs for general access. Like
camouflaging the Suzukis and Piaggios, and then prohibit also those two brands.
In the end there might be a cat-and-mouse game like with the foreign
proxies to access the Web.
Good Morning Vietnam!
Have a nice Weekend,
Stefan
At 10:34 31.10.2003 -0500, you wrote:
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>[ Vietnam Business Forum ]
>
>Dear All,
>
>This VNExpress message is about the Ministry of Post and
>Telecommunitions' issuing a decision requiring internet
>providers (both IXP and ISP) to use all available technology
>to stop the use of cards to "unlawfully" access the Internet
>phone serve providers outside the country. The Ministry also
>will work with everyone, including the police, on this
>endeavor.
>
>Could anyone please explain to me how this internet phone
>cards business works, esepcially the phone cards by overseas
>providers.
>
>Thanks a million.
>
>Hoanh
>
>
>Thứ sáu, 31/10/2003, 16:30 GMT+7
>NgÄn chặn kinh doanh thẻ Internet Phone láºu
>
>Bá» Bưu chÃnh Viá»
n thông vừa ra Quyết Äá»nh yêu cầu các doanh
>nghiá»p cung cấp dá»ch vụ kết ná»i Internet (IXP) và ứng dụng
>Internet (OSP) nhanh chóng áp dụng những biá»n pháp kỹ thuáºt
>cần thiết, như chặn các website cung cấp thẻ láºu truy nháºp
>trái phép Äến các ÄÆ¡n vá» cung cấp dá»ch vụ Internet Phone á»
>nưá»c ngoà i.
>
>Äá»ng thá»i, Bá» Bưu chÃnh Viá»
n thông (BCVT) cÅ©ng Äá» nghá» các
>OSP phá»i hợp vá»i cÆ¡ quan chức nÄng liên quan, tÄng cưá»ng công
>tác tuyên truyá»n, phá» biến pháp luáºt vá» cung cấp và sá»
>dụng
>dá»ch vụ Äiá»n thoại Internet tại VN và giá»i thiá»u tá»i
>ngưá»i sá»
>dụng mạng nhằm khuyến khÃch há» dùng "hà ng ná»i", tẩy chay
>các
>dá»ch vụ Internet Phone bất hợp pháp cá»§a doanh nghiá»p nưá»c
>ngoà i.
>
>Bà Lê Thá» Ngá»c MÆ¡, Phó vụ trưá»ng Vụ Viá»
n thông (Bá»
>BCVT), cho
>VnExpress biết, hiá»n nay, trên thá» trưá»ng VN lưu hà nh rất
>nhiá»u thiết bá» và thẻ Äiá»n thoại Internet sá» dụng dá»ch
>vụ của
>các doanh nghiá»p á» nưá»c ngoà i, trong Äó có: E-voiz,
>Mediaring, Nettelephone, Dialpad, Pc2phone, Deltathree
Theo
>pháp luẺt hiá»n hà nh, viá»c sá» dụng các thiết bá»
>và dá»ch vụ
>Äiá»n thoại Internet cá»§a các doanh nghiá»p á» nưá»c ngoà i trên
>thá» trưá»ng VN là bất hợp pháp.
>
>Quyết Äá»nh nà y ra Äá»i nhằm thá»±c hiá»n Chá» thá» sá»
>09/2003/CT-
>BBCVT ngà y 23/10 cá»§a Bá» trưá»ng BCVT vá» "TÄng cưá»ng công tác
>chá»ng buôn láºu và gian láºn thương mại trong lÄ©nh vá»±c bưu
>chÃnh, viá»
n thông và công nghỠthông tin", và theo yêu cầu
>của cơ quan an ninh BỠCông an.
>
>Ãng Trương Äình Anh, Giám Äá»c Công ty truyá»n thông FPT (FPT
>Communication), cho rằng Äây là quyết Äá»nh cần thiết Äá»
>láºp
>lại tráºt tá»± trên thá» trưá»ng Internet Phone á» VN. "Khi FPT cầm
>Äèn chạy trưá»c ôtô trong viá»c cung cấp dá»ch vụ nà y, Bá»
>Äã có
>những hà nh Äá»ng rất cứng rắn. Do váºy, nếu không có
>quyết Äá»nh
>nà y thì khác nà o chúng ta duy trì má»t tráºt tá»± hết sức
>nết na
>trong gia Äình, nhưng lại chấp nháºn má»t quy cách hà nh sá» vô
>chÃnh phá»§ ngay khi bưá»c ra khá»i cá»a", ông nói.
>
>Vá» mặt kỹ thuáºt, viá»c bảo vá» các quy Äá»nh pháp luáºt
>trên há»
>thá»ng mạng không khó, nhưng cần có sá»± nhất trà thá»±c
>hiá»n cá»§a
>tất cả các IXP á» Viá»t Nam. Theo ông Äình Anh, VDC, FPT vÃ
>Vietel Äang khai thác các cá»ng Internet quá»c gia. Vì thế, cả
>ba ÄÆ¡n vá» nà y sẽ nhanh chóng phá»i hợp thá»±c hiá»n quy
>Äá»nh cá»§a
>Bá». Bên cạnh Äó, sá»± tham gia cá»§a các cÆ¡ quan Nhà nưá»c
>như Bá»
>Công an, Cục Quản lý thá» trưá»ng cÅ©ng rất cần thiết.
>
>Công ty FPT vừa có vÄn bản kiến nghá» Bá» BCVT thả ná»i giá
>cưá»c
>Internet Phone Äá» các doanh nghiá»p VN có thá» "chiến Äấu" vá»i
>thẻ láºu không chá» bằng biá»n pháp hà nh chÃnh mà bằng
>biá»n pháp
>kinh tế như giá cả và chất lượng dá»ch vụ.
>
>Thanh Tú
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